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November 28, 2014

Poll: Let Obamacare Stay

Kaiser Family Foundation Poll: “Reflecting the sense that the debate has gone on long enough, more of the public would like to see Congress keep the law in place and work to improve it (49 percent) or keep it as is (10 percent) rather than repeal it and replace it with a Republican-sponsored alternative (11 percent) or repeal it outright (18 percent).”

 Poll: Let Obamacare Stay

 

Related: Public support for Obamacare is rising

  • Red Phillips

    One in three republicans want to keep and/or improve the law.

    • Xen Young Zu

      That would be great to believe, What the source of your information?

  • Mark_in_VA

    Were the naive fools in the “replace it with a Republican-sponsored alternative” the same group who signed the petition to the White House to build the “Star Wars” Death Star? Both have equal grounding in reality.

  • BBWeekly

    That’s why I continue to say that my party needs to effectively capture the “fix” crowd before the midterm elections. Make incumbent Democrats who want to fix the law, explain why they haven’t proposed anything to do so. It’s intellectually dishonest (to say you want to fix it, while doing nothing) and almost impossible to defend. If the GOP can combine the repeal *AND* fix vote for this fall we can maximize the opportunities.

    • http://foundersfollies.blogspot.com/ Chredon

      Except that we all know that the GOP would happily pull the trigger to repeal the law, but never get around to that ‘replace’ item.

      • BBWeekly

        Partisans may *think* they know that, but partisans aren’t swing voters and independents. The GOP already will have a midterm intensity and turnout advantage this fall, but there are some strategies that could really drive independents to the GOP.

        • bluestems

          Independent voter here. The GOP’s continued stance on repealing the ACA, anti-abortion, and pro-guns has lost me. Both sides need to get more serious on climate change.

          • Mountain Vet

            Me also, independent since 88, no GOP votes in my future, for the same reasons, plus the continued push of religion, and the religious freedoms to be a bigot…no thank you GOP

          • BBWeekly

            All independent voters are “leaners” – you guys clearly lean Democrat. I believe that a hundred million dollar ad campaign aimed at the center, advocating a fix, and saying that Obama and Democrats have refused to work on a fix, would be very effective as midterm messaging.

          • Mountain Vet

            It is going to take more then that I live in Utah one of the reddest states in the nation and even here the GOP can’t win me over, good luck in any swing states. Maybe. If some major GOP players came out as gay, that maybe the only PR stunt left for you guys…other then that lots of grave digging is the only elephant action I have seen.

          • BBWeekly

            I understand, you would not be the target audience. The target would be the people who want to see things getting done in DC, that want compromise and deals. We need to make the case that the only way to make that happen is a Republican Senate. Obama has been changing the law on his own, in his little world, and we need to bring him out of his shell to the table so we can all work together. For that, we need a strong message this fall, that will cause the President to sit up and take notice. This will also be the first opportunity that voters will have to register their disgust with the roll out.

          • Mountain Vet

            Perhaps a personal review of the current presidents accomplishments are in order. Oh and he probably is keeping us out of a possible world war as we speak.

            In a typical “lesser of two evils” style election that so many Americans face every four years, the party trying to care for the,poor, uninsured, minority’s (gays and non whites) and mentally ill seem to be the lesser currently.

            Not to mention if the GOP loses twice to a black man, and then too a Women, they could just go belly up.

          • bluestems

            I wouldn’t say I’ve moved or “leaned” left as much as the GOP has moved far right. Reagan couldn’t get elected by today’s GOP lunatics.

          • BBWeekly

            There are 30 far right members in the House and 5 in the Senate. We can marginalize them, but it’s going to take a few Democrats coming along for the ride to help out in 2015. With a Republican Senate (the biggest bottle neck in DC is Harry Reid) I believe that we can get immigration reform, corporate tax reform, and a major health care fix all in one year.

    • LaurenAnn

      I think the fixes need to come after the implementation has occured so the problems will not be theoretical but will be tangible.

      • BBWeekly

        I guess it depends on what you want to fix. I would argue that the law is too progressive, as in the vast majority of the benefits are going to the bottom 10-15 percent of society. I’d like to see some sort of offset to benefit the middle class, and the upper middle class. Perhaps a partial tax exemption for insurance premiums, to be paid out of medical savings accounts. That’s easier to fix sooner, rather than later … and the people being hit the hardest by the law, those just above the subsidy line, need some help through this transition. Some of them, especially dual income earners with children, are seeing double digit percentage increases in their costs.

        • qhurt

          theres only one problem with your plan..THE REPUBLICANS DON WANT TO FIX IT…they don’t want they NEVER wanted it and NEVER had any intention of using the plan when they came up with it to kill Hillerycare back in 93.

          Not ONE republican voted for it and not ONE proposed to replace it with anything better. All they want to do is keep the status quo..

        • David Franks

          “I would argue that the law is too progressive”
          Interesting notion, as it is a very Republican law. In a way, the Republicans have already replaced a progressive healthcare plan with another one– and Obamacare is the plan they’ve replaced it with.

          • JacklynD

            If Democrats really had their way, it would be a single payer system.

          • David Franks

            The brave Democrats, anyway.

        • JacklynD

          The benefits for the middle class are already being realized. You can’t have your insurance cancelled because you get sick and you can’t be denied insurance due to a pre-existing condition. There are several others such as your kids can stay on your insurance until they are in their mid twenties. The rate of increases has slowed dramatically and in many cases the premiums are dropping.

          • BBWeekly

            Yes I support all of those things, but costs are still going up. If we drive down costs across the board, then we do not have to play a zero sum game with winners and losers. The rate of cost increases are slowing, but studies have shown that it’s not due to Obamacare.

          • bluestems

            Costs will come down once the healthy enroll and balance out the sick that are now covered by law. If we move to a single payer system, that would do a lot more to control costs.

          • BBWeekly

            Maybe, but that’s still just insurance costs and that’s not good enough. How do we eliminate the real waste in the system, the underlying health care costs? The $100 that a hospital charges for a paper cup? I think we get greater cost savings more rapidly if we take the GOP approach of attacking the costs directly, instead of just playing around with private insurance. We could also cover more people – Obamacare is nowhere close to universal coverage. We still have over 15 percent of the country uninsured.

          • bluestems

            Single payer allows cost control. You’re correct in that costs are out of control in this country.

        • http://foundersfollies.blogspot.com/ Chredon

          There is already a benefit for the middle and upper middle class – it’s called the tax deduction for employer-provided insurance. That allows employers to provide better insurance, or charge their employees less for it, or pay them more. Now, I believe that deduction should be applied to people who provide their own insurance,too.

          • BBWeekly

            Yes, that is what I am advocating – let the self insurers have the same deductions. Liberals should go for that too, if their ultimate goal is to move us away from an employer based model.

    • JacklynD

      Perhaps “fixing” it should come after it has been fully implemented. What exactly to you want to fix?

      • BBWeekly

        At the moment, I am primarily advocating that Republicans work hard to position themselves as the “party of fix.” I think that would be a winning message in the midterms, especially when you consider that there is general awareness among centrists and swing voters that the President has been making changes to the law on his own. This can be a hammer over the head of Senate Democrats – the President is essentially harming them by not giving them a chance to vote for the changes he is making. “Repeal” may drive out the base, and that will win the Senate (barely) and a few House seats, but if Democrats can be boxed into a corner where they are left defending the status quo, then I think there can truly be a landslide.

        • JDL51

          Republicans are the party of destroy health care reform. After years of whining, they have not proposed any serious health reform legislation other than repeal. None of your fixes have ever been offered by the republicans. Zero. As people get comfortable with their new plans and the stories start pouring out of how many its helped, and the lies being told about it are exposed, the midterms will start to look a bit less promising for the right.

      • BBWeekly

        But generally (and I think any fixes have to wait until 2015), I want to see choices restored and more of the benefits pushed upward on the income curve, toward Republican voters. I would like to see several a la carte options added so all plans do not need to include maternity, preventative, and/or mental health. There’s the obvious small moves, like repealing the medical device tax that is costing 53,000 jobs, and changing the definition of “part time” to anything less than 39 hours. Then in the longer term, we need to give this thing some teeth as far as eliminating waste and driving down costs in the health care industry itself (instead of just focusing on private insurance, which takes too long).

        • Mountain Vet

          That sounds great unless you are a pregnant bipolar woman…..then what, you are SOL. What a great plan screw the pregnant, and the mentally ill, they have it so good already, with the world leading maternity programs, and mental care facilities that are so available… Here in the US..(sarcasm).

          • BBWeekly

            We need to make sure that people are able to accurately run the numbers and anticipate all costs before they decide to have a child. If we subsidize maternity, then we are also helping to subsidize decisions to have children. And we already do way too much of that as a society, especially in the tax code and in the welfare system. Some people would never need preventative, and they are likely to know who they are. Men who are too tough to go to a doctor until it’s a massive emergency, for example.

      • bluestems

        This video on “Why are American Health Care Costs So High” covers the complexity of the issue and what we really need to address next. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qSjGouBmo0M

  • http://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLA0C3C1D163BE880A Golbez

    Wrong thread. Oops ;)

  • Clint Harris

    NICE!!! Soon the republicans will call it ACA instead of Obamacare because it will be so popular.

    • Craggy old conservative

      Obamacare is destined for the sht house where it belongs. R.I.P

      • JohnVoter

        Is that where they found you?

      • Zaydin

        Nah, that’s Medicare Part D. You know, the unfunded Bush-era program that was meant to lower prescription drug costs, and instead is causing them to rise.

      • daisy12

        Old GOP fart needs to have his premiums raised!!!!!

        • Craggy old conservative

          You need a good spanking!!!!!!

    • BBWeekly

      Eventually I think there will be a major piece of legislation that fixes various aspects of the law, and you are correct, after that point it will no longer be attributed to Obama or called Obamacare. Because at that point it will be bipartisan, which is what a large program like this *should* have been in the first place.

      • Zaydin

        Hard to be bipartisan when Republicans are constantly lying about the ACA, though, and were never interested in working with the Democrats while crafting the bill.

        Considering they’ve deluded themselves into thinking our healthcare system is the greatest in the world, even though the WHO has us at about 37th.

      • calvincito

        The program doesn’t need any major fix. It will improve over time but the Act has already achieved some of its stated goals. It’s one of the few things coming out of Washington that is not, as they are fond of saying,”broken”. The site had major problems in the breakout but that is not the program and it has long been fixed.

    • Xen Young Zu

      Well I hate the term Obamacare although there is nothing affordable about the ACA. I think it should officially be renamed Heath Care Act, Heath Care Reform Act, or something like that.

  • hotstuffpdx

    Well there goes the GOP desired Senate wave. Better rework those AFP commercials.

  • John Roman

    I’m liking my health coverage….previously, they wanted $900/mo to insure me, just me, with a pre-existing condition. Now it’s less than half that.

  • Sam

    Let be honest ,,,what is the republicans alternative.
    I have never heard anything except repeal it and start over’
    But we all know they will never start over if it was repealed.
    improve yes,,,,,,,repeal no

  • Craggy old conservative

    A propaganda piece to support the worse legislation ever created by a nincompoop President.

    • The Watchtower

      Presidents don’t create legislation, they sign it.

    • JohnVoter

      Conservatives really are pointless, aren’t they?

    • bluestems

      How do you like your Medicare?

  • JohnVoter

    It’s been 5 years and not even a glimmer of a plan to decrease the number of Americans without health insurance*, to prohibit discrimination against pre-existing conditions, to prohibit cancelling your insurance for arbitrary reasons, to extend the fiscal life of Medicare.

    *99% of people who had their non-ACA compliant insurance cancelled were offered replacement insurance in the same letter. Never mind the fact that most of these plans were grandfathered in.

  • phylly3

    I myself am not eligible for the ACA because I am on Medicare and carry a supplement through the company I retired from but I have family and friends who are and did sign up. They are relieved and thrilled with their coverages. co-pays. and to a person were able to continue to see their doctors.

    • BBWeekly

      That is unusual. Down here in Florida there wasn’t a single platinum plan out of 300+ that included my doctor and had a zero deductible. In New Hampshire, their plans only include one of the hospitals in the state. So if you are having a good experience, that’s unique. Many people are being squeezed by “risk corridors” that are limiting flexibility and choices. But repeal is not necessary, a Republican Senate and House, I believe, will be able to finally bring the President to the table to work on fixing the law. But it’s going to take sending Obama a message with a landslide loss this fall.

      • JDL51

        Republicans don’t want to fix it. What fixes have they suggested so far? None. Nothing but repeal and back to the garbage system we had before where anyone can get dumped, anyone with a pre-existing can’t get insurance, limits on benefits, and kids are on their own after 18, not to mention double digit increases year after year. I have employee based health insurance that covers just about everything, but my sister would lose her coverage under any republican “fix” and so would a whole lot of other people.

      • Olive Thomas

        you are full of crap

      • bluestems

        “and had a zero deductible.” That’s because it’s for profit insurance. Try single payer. See any doctor, no copay, and the taxes you pay to cover it will be much less than what you pay in insurance premiums, co-pays and deductibles.

      • Mountain Vet

        I will have to let my Mother the NH resident who is saving 14,000 dollars a year, with the ACA because of a pre existing condition , know that only one of the three hospitals she has been using her ACA health insurance at since Jan will take her insurance because some random dude on the Internet said so……what a joke..the lies just keep coming…

        • BBWeekly

          My mom is a New Hampshire resident as well. This is benefiting people who have pre-existing conditions. There’s no reason to give that up. But we can drive down actual health care costs so more people who are healthy, across the income spectrum, are also benefitting. The situation with the New Hampshire hospitals is generally well known, you can google it. The ACA is incentivizing narrow networks, and I would like to see broader networks and more choices. We can easily get there by eliminating waste, which Obamacare does not do.

          • Mountain Vet

            Then how is the ACA covering my mother… I do her bills and three different hospitals are getting paid. Again, she is saving 14,000 a year and seeing all the same doctors at all the same facilities as before…

          • Mountain Vet

            http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/statenewengland/1015062-469/anthem-limits-number-hospitals-in-nh-from.html

            The reason is because you are wrong. 15 hospitals are on the program out of the states 26 and this article clearly describes why.. Unlike the One you claim in your original post, I would assume all your facts to be similar.

          • BBWeekly
          • Mountain Vet

            No where does your link support your one hospital claim. Perhaps you should read my link, that clearly states the amount of hospitals open, to ACA users, it is not only one….in NH…

          • BBWeekly

            As far as I know, a company called *Anthem* is the only one offering plans on the exchanges in NH. And they are the ones that cut out the other hospitals.

          • bluestems

            you’d know more if you clickity-click on Mountain Vet’s link… ;)

      • Jim H.

        I live in Texas. I have health insurance for the first time in 12 years. Am I “unusual” too? Quit listening to the propaganda and learn the facts.

      • phylly3

        I live in Arkansas and our state is fortunate among the southern states that we have an excellant governor, Mike Beebee (D). This current term is his last, because of term limits. You and I are on opposite sides regarding politics. I believe the ACA is a much needed program and will positively effect the lives and health of many Americans who have previously been cut off from access to health insurance because of part-time work, low wages and pre-existing conditions. I also believe that President Obama had the well being and quality of life of our citizens in mind when he proposed the ACA and saw it through to it’s conclusion.

      • Xen Young Zu

        Wow, what kind of doctor to you go to? While I don’t doubt your doctor might not be an “In-network” doctor for the platinum plans you speak of, I seriously doubt that at least one of the plans do not cover “out of network” doctors which include every licensed doctor.

        • BBWeekly

          I’m shopping for a “zero deductible” – I’ve never had a plan with a deductible before and I find them to be somewhat ridiculous. What I found is that the limited number of plans with no deductibles had narrow networks. That tells me we need to expand the options. As far as “out of network” doctors, I’m not sure how that works. Wouldn’t it be more expensive, if you go to a doctor that does not accept your plan?

          • Xen Young Zu

            In North Carolina there are zero deducible plans but you have to have a limit income. Under 250% poverty level I believe. I agree with you that the deductibles are ridiculous. I;m certainly not saying ACA is perfect. It does need some fixing I lean towards single payer system myself.
            As far as out of network doctors. Yes you gerernally pay more. Usually a percentage of the doctors charge like 20 or 30%.

          • BBWeekly

            As far as I know, income has nothing to do with the features of the plans available on the exchanges. The plans are the same, but lower income qualifies you for a subsidy to pay the insurance premiums. That doesn’t chance the deductibles.

          • Xen Young Zu

            Yes, Income does impact. deductibles in some cases. A friend of mine qualified for subsidy but her income was so low she also qualified for Enhanced Benefits which were designed to lower the amount of cost-share (ie. deductibles and co-pays) that a member owes.

            From kkf.org:
            In addition to premium tax credits, cost sharing subsidies are also available for people who make between 100 and 250 percent of the poverty level. Cost sharing subsidies further limit out of pocket costs and raise the actuarial value of Silver plans. In most cases, Silver plans have an actuarial value of 70 percent. However, for people with incomes between 100% and 250% of the poverty level, the actuarial value of Silver plans will range from 94 percent to 73 percent. Reduced out of pocket limits and higher actuarial values are shown in the calculator results when applicable. Cost-sharing subsidies are only available if the eligible person enrolls in a Silver level plan.

    • Xen Young Zu

      I am not eligible for ACA because I am on Medicare also. However, I don’t think that its fair as I am paying $124/m for Medicare (w/o drug coverage) and could get insurance through the ACA for less than $20/m if I was eligible. Anyone know how I can reject Johnsoncare as I did Bushcare and get on Obamacare?

      • phylly3

        Xen, I totally agree with you.

  • Zaydin

    So what IS the Republican alternative? They’ve had four years to come up with the ‘replace’ portion of their “Repeal and Replace” mantra, and yet they’ve been oddly silent about what they would replace it with outside of empty platitudes and meaningless buzz words.

    I guess Alan Grayson was right: The GOP alternative is don’t get sick. And if you do get sick, die quickly.

  • tinking

    So far, Nat Silver is predicting that the GOP will gain at least 6 seats, possibly up to 11 seats, in the Senate – but the GOP will take it for sure (at the moment) based solely on the discontent with the ACA/Obamacare law….Silver is noted for predicting the last Presidential election correctly for each of the 50 states…

    • BBWeekly

      I think the public is ready to hear that message. They know that Democrats aren’t fixing it, and since they were the only ones to vote for it, they don’t have much of a reason to fix it in the future. If we pour several millions of dollars into ads saying that the GOP is ready to fix the law (and Democrats are refusing to do it) I think we can get that message across to swing voters. Not here, because Political Wire skews liberal, but among regular people.

  • BigEd

    The Rethugs have no alternative plan, just tort reform and shop across state lines. That saves little to nothing.

  • Walter_Wellstone

    This is not surprising. No one has heard what the Republican plan is. No wonder most people don’t want to replace something with nothing.

  • Auntie Fascist

    “..rather than repeal it and replace it with a Republican-sponsored alternative…”

    WHAT “Republican-sponsored alternative”?

    • askids

      Emergency room care :)

    • james fitzgibbons

      BEHIND CLOSED DOORS THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT SOME OF THESE IDEAS. OBAMACARE NEEDS TO HAVE SOME CHANGES MADE BUT EVERYONE SHOULD LOOK VERY CLOSELY AT THE IDEAS THAT ARE BEING DEVELOPED AS A REPLACEMENT FOR OBAMACARE

      Under the Republicans’ proposal, what would happen to someone who was made eligible for Medicaid because of Obamacare’s Medicaid expansion, or someone who gets the most lavish taxpayer-funded Obamacare subsidies because he or she has an income that’s just above the Medicaid line? Under Priebus’s proposals, the answer would be:”They’d get very little or nothing”.

      Another republican proposal to tax employer health plans:
      “Why should millions of Americans who get insurance through their employer get a tax break, while millions who buy it on their own through the individual market, do not”? This is unfair, and it makes no sense.

      Through such high-risk pools, a person could purchase a partially subsidized health insurance policy, and his or her share of the premiums could not exceed some set percentage (say, 150, 200, or 250 percent)—with the exact percentage to be set by each separate state. WHICH LEVEL WOULD YOUR STATE SET?
      MOST HIGH RISK FOLKS HAVE A LOWER INCOME LEVEL!

      For Medicaid, “this federal funding would be provided to each state ADJUSTED DOWN 1%.YEAR as a defined contribution. Each state would get a set amount each year (to spend only on its intended purpose) based upon its population of American citizens”.

  • Xen Young Zu

    If Obamacare is to be repealed lets not stop there. Lets repeal Bushcare and Johnsoncare also.

  • larryS

    Affordable care act is a start to providing us alkl with healthcare, Every 1st world country provides healthcare ot its taxpayers. The health insurers have done a good job brainwashing Americans to believ it is a bad program. Look behind the rhetoric,, we all deserve healthcare with the taxes we pay. Congress has healthcare.. why shouldn’t we?

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